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This would consolidate similar information, expand overall information on the same subject (the saltire), eliminate confusion, and make things more user-friendly. --Dulcimerist , 12 October 2006 (UTC) I remove my request for merger, as this article's sister flag article, Flag of Scotland, has kept its own page.

The heraldry articles of Saint Andrew's Cross and Saint Patrick's Cross have been merged into Saltire by consensus.

Another article reported that 'the Cross of St Andrew the Scotch saint is to honour the Irish order of St Patrick, by being inserted within the star of the order' and described this as 'a manifest insult to common sense and to national propriety'." It simply was never a flag of Ireland (for nationalist, Anglo-Irish or unionist) and where where it came from is bewildering.

The Fitzgerald connection is tenious - there's no evidience to say that it was a symbol of their's, and when that story appeared, nobody knows.

TCD is the sole college of the University of Dublin, not of Ireland.

Similar motifs are used on the city seals of Cork and Enniskillen, but surely the Dublin press of 1873 would have been familiar with the TCD seal and, if that had originated from a flag of Ireland, would not have be so surprised and angry at its choice for the Order of St. -- Given the clunking obviousness of the symbolism on the arms of TCD the use of the red satire on the arms of other towns in Ireland and the references to a flag of this character in the seventeenth century up to and including an ascription of precisely this design to Ireland in a number of continental works it is unsustainable and tendentious to ascribe the origin of the flag to the creation of the order of St Patrick.

-- I see that there is a tag at the bottom of this article for National Flags. Patrick's Saltire is not a national flag, nor used by any government to represent a nation on an official capacity, i propose that this tag be removed.

Someone a little closer to home, correcting an obvious mistake, maybe?--Dulcimerist , 16 October 2006 (UTC) I've added this article to the Wikipedia Ireland Project; since its sister article, Flag of Scotland is in the Wikipedia Scotland Project.These two articles should be treated in a similar fashion. In the event that the Wiki Project on Ireland has a template such as this, I trust that they will insert the proper template code into the article.Saint Patrick's Saltire is within the scope of the Heraldry and vexillology Wiki Project, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of heraldry and vexillology.If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

See the Flags of the World entry, especially the section on contemporary opinion on the flag (from 1783) e.g.

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